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		<title>By: Blog 4 History: American &#38; Civil War History &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama marks D-Day&#8217;s solemn 65th anniversary</title>
		<link>http://www.blog4history.com/2009/04/normandy-beach/comment-page-1/#comment-10242</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog 4 History: American &#38; Civil War History &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Obama marks D-Day&#8217;s solemn 65th anniversary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.blog4history.com/2009/04/normandy-beach/comment-page-1/#comment-9006</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter you said, &quot;All of this is fine, but please don’t reduce our war dead to pawns in whatever disagreements you might have with the course Obama has chosen.&quot;

If I want to point out something I did not agree with, I will, if you want to accuse me of something, that is fine. 

Also, if I wanted to challenge Obama politically I would have done so in far more colorful  ways as the Democrats did with Bush. This post was not politically motivated.

But alas, it is only &quot;political&quot; to you as you MIGHT be in political agreement with Obama and any criticism is seen as such. I am not. I looked at this from a different perspective.

C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter you said, &#8220;All of this is fine, but please don’t reduce our war dead to pawns in whatever disagreements you might have with the course Obama has chosen.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I want to point out something I did not agree with, I will, if you want to accuse me of something, that is fine. </p>
<p>Also, if I wanted to challenge Obama politically I would have done so in far more colorful  ways as the Democrats did with Bush. This post was not politically motivated.</p>
<p>But alas, it is only &#8220;political&#8221; to you as you MIGHT be in political agreement with Obama and any criticism is seen as such. I am not. I looked at this from a different perspective.</p>
<p>C</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.blog4history.com/2009/04/normandy-beach/comment-page-1/#comment-9004</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

It is a shame so much name calling got involved in all of this. 

The article, as it stands, indicates that the invitation to visit Normandy came as a diplomatic ploy on the part of the French.  The US administration did not discuss suggest it, and avoided it because they saw perceived that Germany might perceive it as a slight.  I think it is important to bear in mind that it appears that Sarkozy wanted Obama to visit Normandy not so much to honor American war dead, but as a kind of diplomatic protocl one-upmanship.  Note that this appears as a typical political trap - present Obama with a choice that either gives the French prestige (visit Normandy) or hurts him domestically (arguments that he disdains the sacrifices of American soldiers during World War II).  Perhaps it is germane to note here that I have not noted anyone calling for Obama to visit service gravesites in the United Kingdom.  And Chris, your line of thought makes everything clear: &quot;it would have been, in my opinion, an appropriate visit to take the time to honor something good we Americas have done for Europeans.&quot;  For you, as with the French, none of this has anything to do with the honoring the war dead, but scoring political points.  All of this is fine, but please don&#039;t reduce our war dead to pawns in whatever disagreements you might have with the course Obama has chosen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>It is a shame so much name calling got involved in all of this. </p>
<p>The article, as it stands, indicates that the invitation to visit Normandy came as a diplomatic ploy on the part of the French.  The US administration did not discuss suggest it, and avoided it because they saw perceived that Germany might perceive it as a slight.  I think it is important to bear in mind that it appears that Sarkozy wanted Obama to visit Normandy not so much to honor American war dead, but as a kind of diplomatic protocl one-upmanship.  Note that this appears as a typical political trap &#8211; present Obama with a choice that either gives the French prestige (visit Normandy) or hurts him domestically (arguments that he disdains the sacrifices of American soldiers during World War II).  Perhaps it is germane to note here that I have not noted anyone calling for Obama to visit service gravesites in the United Kingdom.  And Chris, your line of thought makes everything clear: &#8220;it would have been, in my opinion, an appropriate visit to take the time to honor something good we Americas have done for Europeans.&#8221;  For you, as with the French, none of this has anything to do with the honoring the war dead, but scoring political points.  All of this is fine, but please don&#8217;t reduce our war dead to pawns in whatever disagreements you might have with the course Obama has chosen.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Ballard</title>
		<link>http://www.blog4history.com/2009/04/normandy-beach/comment-page-1/#comment-9001</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Ballard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting how often individuals can degenerate into name-calling and swearing at the drop of a hat - or an email, as the case may be.

My viewpoint from my earlier post came from the experience of being one of those veterans.  I&#039;m not WW II, nor even Korea - though I know a number of these men and women.  I&#039;m more of a late-Vietnam era vet.

I am conservative, but I believe in giving every politician a fair chance to establish themselves in what they do as it pertains to my particular viewpoint - just as I am sure the rest of the world does.

No politician can meet everyone&#039;s expectations.  That is a given.  No man/woman living can do that.  However, I also reserve the right to express my opinion in a civilized, more-or-less rational manner.

People complain about the military - and often with justification.  However, to follow orders and to risk life and limb to storm the beaches, whether it is Normandy, Guadalcanal, Anzio, Iwo Jima - or the bridgeheads in Iraq or Afghanistan, if that is where a soldier is ordered to go - is absolutely heroic.

To have a President deny visiting a region as significant in the history of this nation&#039;s efforts to win the war in Europe in order not to offend someone is - to me - wrong.  It not only denies the memory of what what done there, but those living veterans (I happen to know a couple) who were there.

On top of that, to propose to cut federal health benefits for war related injuries - as was proposed by the current Administration - to me (one lone voice in the world) a trend that concerns me.

As far as I&#039;m concerned, the jury is still rightfully out on Obama.  He&#039;s simply not had the time in office to clearly indicate the path he is going to take.  He&#039;s done some things I like, and some I don&#039;t.  So did Bush, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, and Eisenhower (the one&#039;s I lived through with a memory of their administrations).

Because I don&#039;t like some of things done was not intended to provide a flash point for off-topic discussion, name calling, and swearing.  If I offended you, I&#039;m sorry.

But I still don&#039;t intend to change my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting how often individuals can degenerate into name-calling and swearing at the drop of a hat &#8211; or an email, as the case may be.</p>
<p>My viewpoint from my earlier post came from the experience of being one of those veterans.  I&#8217;m not WW II, nor even Korea &#8211; though I know a number of these men and women.  I&#8217;m more of a late-Vietnam era vet.</p>
<p>I am conservative, but I believe in giving every politician a fair chance to establish themselves in what they do as it pertains to my particular viewpoint &#8211; just as I am sure the rest of the world does.</p>
<p>No politician can meet everyone&#8217;s expectations.  That is a given.  No man/woman living can do that.  However, I also reserve the right to express my opinion in a civilized, more-or-less rational manner.</p>
<p>People complain about the military &#8211; and often with justification.  However, to follow orders and to risk life and limb to storm the beaches, whether it is Normandy, Guadalcanal, Anzio, Iwo Jima &#8211; or the bridgeheads in Iraq or Afghanistan, if that is where a soldier is ordered to go &#8211; is absolutely heroic.</p>
<p>To have a President deny visiting a region as significant in the history of this nation&#8217;s efforts to win the war in Europe in order not to offend someone is &#8211; to me &#8211; wrong.  It not only denies the memory of what what done there, but those living veterans (I happen to know a couple) who were there.</p>
<p>On top of that, to propose to cut federal health benefits for war related injuries &#8211; as was proposed by the current Administration &#8211; to me (one lone voice in the world) a trend that concerns me.</p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, the jury is still rightfully out on Obama.  He&#8217;s simply not had the time in office to clearly indicate the path he is going to take.  He&#8217;s done some things I like, and some I don&#8217;t.  So did Bush, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, and Eisenhower (the one&#8217;s I lived through with a memory of their administrations).</p>
<p>Because I don&#8217;t like some of things done was not intended to provide a flash point for off-topic discussion, name calling, and swearing.  If I offended you, I&#8217;m sorry.</p>
<p>But I still don&#8217;t intend to change my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, I&#039;m speechless... I&#039;m not sure why I don&#039;t delete your post. I guess I find it amusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, I&#8217;m speechless&#8230; I&#8217;m not sure why I don&#8217;t delete your post. I guess I find it amusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.blog4history.com/2009/04/normandy-beach/comment-page-1/#comment-8999</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are a right wing idiot who doesn&#039;t even understand the nature of diplomacy and because Obama didn&#039;t go in with the attitude of &quot;We American&#039;s are the Shit&quot; means to you that he is an apologetic and weak president. I&#039;m sick of you guys!!! You lost the election, handedly, stop crying! Obama is saving this country, we can&#039;t do it alone we can&#039;t be the Cowboys. I will refrain from what I think is your real agenda, to tear down this man who is saving this country. Your agenda will not succeed! Right Wing racists!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are a right wing idiot who doesn&#8217;t even understand the nature of diplomacy and because Obama didn&#8217;t go in with the attitude of &#8220;We American&#8217;s are the Shit&#8221; means to you that he is an apologetic and weak president. I&#8217;m sick of you guys!!! You lost the election, handedly, stop crying! Obama is saving this country, we can&#8217;t do it alone we can&#8217;t be the Cowboys. I will refrain from what I think is your real agenda, to tear down this man who is saving this country. Your agenda will not succeed! Right Wing racists!</p>
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		<title>By: matt mckeon</title>
		<link>http://www.blog4history.com/2009/04/normandy-beach/comment-page-1/#comment-8997</link>
		<dc:creator>matt mckeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,
You bring up a good point about Bush.  I thought Bush was a terrible president and never voted for him.  However the criticism of Bush often was nutty on the extreme left.  However, the hysteria about Obama is already over the top at 10 weeks in.  It&#039;s so crazy now, with the secret Muslim, antiChrist, Marxist stuff, I don&#039;t know where can go from here.   

Bush drove people nuts with the things he did.  Obama just seems to drive people nuts because why?  Its not based on anything he&#039;s actually doing.

This is aside from legitimate criticism of the bailout plan, the changes in foreign policy and the changes in military procurement.  Any leader who does something is going to be criticized for it, and sometimes that criticism has merit.  But the weird tone coming out of outlets like Fox News is just disconnected with reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,<br />
You bring up a good point about Bush.  I thought Bush was a terrible president and never voted for him.  However the criticism of Bush often was nutty on the extreme left.  However, the hysteria about Obama is already over the top at 10 weeks in.  It&#8217;s so crazy now, with the secret Muslim, antiChrist, Marxist stuff, I don&#8217;t know where can go from here.   </p>
<p>Bush drove people nuts with the things he did.  Obama just seems to drive people nuts because why?  Its not based on anything he&#8217;s actually doing.</p>
<p>This is aside from legitimate criticism of the bailout plan, the changes in foreign policy and the changes in military procurement.  Any leader who does something is going to be criticized for it, and sometimes that criticism has merit.  But the weird tone coming out of outlets like Fox News is just disconnected with reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will say, he visited our Troops so.... Maybe that is more important than visiting Normandy. 

C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will say, he visited our Troops so&#8230;. Maybe that is more important than visiting Normandy. </p>
<p>C</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, please, would you have said this “… the hand wringing and negative interpretation of every action, no matter how minor, by the president, goes beyond politics as usual into the realm of the irrational.” When people like Pelosi and others were calling Bush, oh I forget, the Devil and whatever else? The President is out representing us, not the world. He is not campaigning still, he is the President.

Peter, I won’t speak for Mike. I did not say is was a “slap” to anyone, I stated I was disappointed by this non-move on Obama’s part.

I understand that Sarkozy’s invite could have been a move to get more “alone time” with Obama. I have to ask, so what? I also noted that the offending part had to do with Obama visiting with the French privately and not the Germans.

The President indeed is not obligated to do anything. That’s kind of my point. And no, I am not suggesting he visits gravesites whereever he goes. However, Normandy is not an ordinary graveyard, can we agree on that?

My point is during a trip where our President was clearly in apologetic mode for America (and I’m not going to review everything he apologized for and I noted I agreed with his “humble” approach), it would have been, in my opinion, an appropriate visit to take the time to honor something good we Americas have done for Europeans (and the world).

But like I said, if he goes back for the 65th anniversary, I will be happy to post a rebuttal. You might not care if he does, that’s fine. You have that right.

If this line of thought does not help, than we have to agree to disagree.

C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, please, would you have said this “… the hand wringing and negative interpretation of every action, no matter how minor, by the president, goes beyond politics as usual into the realm of the irrational.” When people like Pelosi and others were calling Bush, oh I forget, the Devil and whatever else? The President is out representing us, not the world. He is not campaigning still, he is the President.</p>
<p>Peter, I won’t speak for Mike. I did not say is was a “slap” to anyone, I stated I was disappointed by this non-move on Obama’s part.</p>
<p>I understand that Sarkozy’s invite could have been a move to get more “alone time” with Obama. I have to ask, so what? I also noted that the offending part had to do with Obama visiting with the French privately and not the Germans.</p>
<p>The President indeed is not obligated to do anything. That’s kind of my point. And no, I am not suggesting he visits gravesites whereever he goes. However, Normandy is not an ordinary graveyard, can we agree on that?</p>
<p>My point is during a trip where our President was clearly in apologetic mode for America (and I’m not going to review everything he apologized for and I noted I agreed with his “humble” approach), it would have been, in my opinion, an appropriate visit to take the time to honor something good we Americas have done for Europeans (and the world).</p>
<p>But like I said, if he goes back for the 65th anniversary, I will be happy to post a rebuttal. You might not care if he does, that’s fine. You have that right.</p>
<p>If this line of thought does not help, than we have to agree to disagree.</p>
<p>C</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could someone explain why the argument to decline to visit the gravesites is a weak one?  It appears that the visit was planned by the French in order to give Sarkozy more alone time with Obama, as well as provide a public display of mutual French and American interests.  The White House declined to visit at the moment because it would signal favoritism to the French.  These sorts of appearances often matter in international politics.  How is it &quot;a slap at our armed forces&quot; to not visit?  Is the President now expected to visit gravesties everywhere he goes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could someone explain why the argument to decline to visit the gravesites is a weak one?  It appears that the visit was planned by the French in order to give Sarkozy more alone time with Obama, as well as provide a public display of mutual French and American interests.  The White House declined to visit at the moment because it would signal favoritism to the French.  These sorts of appearances often matter in international politics.  How is it &#8220;a slap at our armed forces&#8221; to not visit?  Is the President now expected to visit gravesties everywhere he goes?</p>
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