Comments on: Old South Event leads to Protest http://www.blog4history.com/2009/05/old-south-event-leds-to-protest/ Tue, 27 Dec 2011 05:26:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: Dalton http://www.blog4history.com/2009/05/old-south-event-leds-to-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-17163 Dalton Tue, 05 Oct 2010 05:28:20 +0000 http://www.blog4history.com/?p=587#comment-17163 completely liberal based argument. you say set aside the freedom of expression. then were not in America if we dont have it. And we are. People who take offense to this and say it should be stopped are ignorant. This is not directed towards aftrican americans. And the nazi part, the nazis commited a genocide of a religious group and race. a conferderate soldier does not symbolize racism. the south did not initiate a civil war directly over slavery, which then the costume would reflect racism. but there were greater reasons for the south seceding, people would know if they took the time to research history and learn there land's past culture. but people do not do that, and they believe the civil war was fought greatly over racism because of slavery, and then they think that gives them a reason to believe that it is a symbol of racism.  the Old South is a historical and meaningful tradition for the south and the members of Kappa Alpha order. they have every right to do so and i am all for their tradition being carried on.  completely liberal based argument. you say set aside the freedom of expression. then were not in America if we dont have it. And we are. People who take offense to this and say it should be stopped are ignorant. This is not directed towards aftrican americans. And the nazi part, the nazis commited a genocide of a religious group and race. a conferderate soldier does not symbolize racism. the south did not initiate a civil war directly over slavery, which then the costume would reflect racism. but there were greater reasons for the south seceding, people would know if they took the time to research history and learn there land’s past culture. but people do not do that, and they believe the civil war was fought greatly over racism because of slavery, and then they think that gives them a reason to believe that it is a symbol of racism. 
the Old South is a historical and meaningful tradition for the south and the members of Kappa Alpha order. they have every right to do so and i am all for their tradition being carried on. 

]]> By: april http://www.blog4history.com/2009/05/old-south-event-leds-to-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-17080 april Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:22:28 +0000 http://www.blog4history.com/?p=587#comment-17080 Matt... you have possibly been mislead as to why the Confederacy was formed as you say. It became a fight against oppressive government. It was not to protect slavery...and by the way...Lincoln made it illegal to own slaves in the southern states...not up North. You could still own slaves there and by the way.... the constitution gave states the right to succeed...once they did Lincoln had no rights. he was an intruder. It's facts that have been left out of the history books brother. Matt… you have possibly been mislead as to why the Confederacy was formed as you say. It became a fight against oppressive government. It was not to protect slavery…and by the way…Lincoln made it illegal to own slaves in the southern states…not up North. You could still own slaves there and by the way…. the constitution gave states the right to succeed…once they did Lincoln had no rights. he was an intruder. It’s facts that have been left out of the history books brother.

]]> By: Chris http://www.blog4history.com/2009/05/old-south-event-leds-to-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-14798 Chris Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:57:46 +0000 http://www.blog4history.com/?p=587#comment-14798 Good points Michael! Good points Michael!

]]> By: Michael Schack http://www.blog4history.com/2009/05/old-south-event-leds-to-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-14784 Michael Schack Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:28:29 +0000 http://www.blog4history.com/?p=587#comment-14784 . Let me add that political correctness in this country has become a to censor thinking . Let me add that political correctness in this country has become a to censor thinking

]]> By: Michael Schack http://www.blog4history.com/2009/05/old-south-event-leds-to-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-14783 Michael Schack Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:25:59 +0000 http://www.blog4history.com/?p=587#comment-14783 I have read countless times that the civil war was not about slavery but about the North’s political and economic increasing control of the southern states. My problem with it has been the values of slavery, and its role in both the South and North’s economy. In 1805 There were just over one million slaves worth about $300 million; fifty-five years later there were four million slaves worth close to $3 billion. In the 11 states that eventually formed the Confederacy, four out of ten people were slaves in 1860, slaves accounted for more than half the agricultural labor in those states. In the cotton regions the importance of slave labor was even greater. The value of capital invested in slaves roughly equaled the total value of all farmland and farm buildings in the South. Though the value of slaves fluctuated from year to year, there was no prolonged period during this time that the value of slaves did not increase. I have read countless times that the civil war was not about slavery but about the North’s political and economic increasing control of the southern states. My problem with it has been the values of slavery, and its role in both the South and North’s economy. In 1805
There were just over one million slaves worth about $300 million; fifty-five years later there were four million slaves worth close to $3 billion. In the 11 states that eventually formed the Confederacy, four out of ten people were slaves in 1860, slaves accounted for more than half the agricultural labor in those states. In the cotton regions the importance of slave labor was even greater. The value of capital invested in slaves roughly equaled the total value of all farmland and farm buildings in the South. Though the value of slaves fluctuated from year to year, there was no prolonged period during this time that the value of slaves did not increase.

]]> By: Chris http://www.blog4history.com/2009/05/old-south-event-leds-to-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-14756 Chris Thu, 22 Apr 2010 23:28:27 +0000 http://www.blog4history.com/?p=587#comment-14756 pixie you did not read this post or at least did not carefully read it. Hence the last part: "I can see this issue both ways. A strong argument would be that: would we allow Germans to dress up like Nazi’s and celebrate National Socialism? Obviously not. So does that apply here? You could make a case obviously. But I think there are other issues as well. I think this would be a great debate subject in the classroom." IT'S REACTIONS LIKE YOURS THAT SHOW HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE. There was that the reaction you wanted? pixie you did not read this post or at least did not carefully read it. Hence the last part:

“I can see this issue both ways. A strong argument would be that: would we allow Germans to dress up like Nazi’s and celebrate National Socialism? Obviously not. So does that apply here? You could make a case obviously.

But I think there are other issues as well. I think this would be a great debate subject in the classroom.”

IT’S REACTIONS LIKE YOURS THAT SHOW HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE. There was that the reaction you wanted?

]]> By: pixie cat http://www.blog4history.com/2009/05/old-south-event-leds-to-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-14755 pixie cat Thu, 22 Apr 2010 22:47:26 +0000 http://www.blog4history.com/?p=587#comment-14755 This is a FREE COUNTRY, sorry if it hurts your feelings.. Go to North Korea if you dont like it ! This is a FREE COUNTRY, sorry if it hurts your feelings.. Go to North Korea if you dont like it !

]]> By: Shelter http://www.blog4history.com/2009/05/old-south-event-leds-to-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-13787 Shelter Thu, 31 Dec 2009 05:44:34 +0000 http://www.blog4history.com/?p=587#comment-13787 Kappa Alpha is a traditionally white fraternity. That being said, I know, because most of my friends are KAs, that the OU chapter, at least, has minority members. I'm not saying that's true for the fraternity everywhere, but my point is that minorities do pledge KA, and are initiated. I also know that the minority members participate in Old South. They don't do this to piss people off, and no, none of them pretend to own slaves. They do it because they want people to remember the way things were 'back then.' It's a Southern Gentlemen's fraternity, and they take this opportunity to throw an (almost) old-fashioned party. The girls get to dress like ladies did back then, and adopt the mannerisms of a Southern Belle. The boys get to be chivalrous without anyone getting all feminist rights on them. It's just a time to have fun. They're perpetuating a tradition of manners and chivalry, not oppression and racism. Remember that the (Not So) Civil War was NOT fought over slavery. Go back to high school American History if that's what you believe. It wasn't about slavery until Lincoln made it so. The war was fought over rules, really. The South didn't want to be bossed around by the North. If blacks can participate in the Old South celebration, then how is it racist? Kappa Alpha is a traditionally white fraternity. That being said, I know, because most of my friends are KAs, that the OU chapter, at least, has minority members. I’m not saying that’s true for the fraternity everywhere, but my point is that minorities do pledge KA, and are initiated. I also know that the minority members participate in Old South. They don’t do this to piss people off, and no, none of them pretend to own slaves. They do it because they want people to remember the way things were ‘back then.’ It’s a Southern Gentlemen’s fraternity, and they take this opportunity to throw an (almost) old-fashioned party. The girls get to dress like ladies did back then, and adopt the mannerisms of a Southern Belle. The boys get to be chivalrous without anyone getting all feminist rights on them. It’s just a time to have fun. They’re perpetuating a tradition of manners and chivalry, not oppression and racism.

Remember that the (Not So) Civil War was NOT fought over slavery. Go back to high school American History if that’s what you believe. It wasn’t about slavery until Lincoln made it so. The war was fought over rules, really. The South didn’t want to be bossed around by the North. If blacks can participate in the Old South celebration, then how is it racist?

]]> By: willhclark http://www.blog4history.com/2009/05/old-south-event-leds-to-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-13569 willhclark Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:01:41 +0000 http://www.blog4history.com/?p=587#comment-13569 Lets equate the American Confederacy to the Nazis. You just know they have white robes on under those Southern Bell dresses and gray uniforms because they would never dress this way if they were not racists, right? The Southern Civil War re-enactors must be racists too! No, wrong Lets equate the American Confederacy to the Nazis. You just know they have white robes on under those Southern Bell dresses and gray uniforms because they would never dress this way if they were not racists, right? The Southern Civil War re-enactors must be racists too!

No, wrong

]]> By: Chris http://www.blog4history.com/2009/05/old-south-event-leds-to-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-9731 Chris Mon, 18 May 2009 01:37:39 +0000 http://www.blog4history.com/?p=587#comment-9731 Richard, that is a valid point. Matt, I agree, they should be protested as well. No easy answers here.... Chris Richard, that is a valid point.

Matt, I agree, they should be protested as well.

No easy answers here….

Chris

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