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	<title>Comments on: American Exceptionalism is Equal to Dumbing History Down According to SOME!</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Schack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Schack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would &quot;American exceptionalism leave out? Slavery, the labor conflicts, Wounded Knee the peonage period, McCarthy, Vietnam World War 1 or 2. I have become confused I teach history as driven by events and people within a context that I expect my students to develop ideas about. During the Revolutionary War the British move an army to the Southern states with one in 5 of the population in slavery there are a number of strategies both the British an Americans can take.  How might this have affected the slaves in the northern states?  For me democracy is an on going experiment that even when actions hurt one group of people how has the country responded?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would &#8220;American exceptionalism leave out? Slavery, the labor conflicts, Wounded Knee the peonage period, McCarthy, Vietnam World War 1 or 2. I have become confused I teach history as driven by events and people within a context that I expect my students to develop ideas about. During the Revolutionary War the British move an army to the Southern states with one in 5 of the population in slavery there are a number of strategies both the British an Americans can take.  How might this have affected the slaves in the northern states?  For me democracy is an on going experiment that even when actions hurt one group of people how has the country responded?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 03:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toby:

But have you called KL down for his sarcasm in regards to interpretations with which he disagrees? That was the point I raised. The sarcasm (which does serve a purpose at times) cuts both ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toby:</p>
<p>But have you called KL down for his sarcasm in regards to interpretations with which he disagrees? That was the point I raised. The sarcasm (which does serve a purpose at times) cuts both ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Metadata: Telling history &#171; Sesquicentennial Madness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metadata: Telling history &#171; Sesquicentennial Madness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up in my feed reader was this post by Kevin Levin over at Civil War Memory. Of interest to me was the post he was responding to, because of this:  Kevin probably thinks that the emphasis would be on Women, Blacks, and Indians. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up in my feed reader was this post by Kevin Levin over at Civil War Memory. Of interest to me was the post he was responding to, because of this:  Kevin probably thinks that the emphasis would be on Women, Blacks, and Indians. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: toby</title>
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		<dc:creator>toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the sarcasm is that it is so pointless. 

Here are two bloggers who should be having a stimulating and probably enlightening discussion on how to teach history without ramming a stereotypical approach down the throats of the students.

Instead of that, it has gone straight to the statge of posturing and flaming. How boring! The discussion is about the (lack of) discussion.

Let those who want to join in with their own gripes &amp; grudges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the sarcasm is that it is so pointless. </p>
<p>Here are two bloggers who should be having a stimulating and probably enlightening discussion on how to teach history without ramming a stereotypical approach down the throats of the students.</p>
<p>Instead of that, it has gone straight to the statge of posturing and flaming. How boring! The discussion is about the (lack of) discussion.</p>
<p>Let those who want to join in with their own gripes &amp; grudges.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard G. Williams, Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard G. Williams, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toby:

&quot;Kevin Levin has one of the most articulate history blogs on the web&quot;

That&#039;s subjective Toby and your opinion. Kevin often raises interesting points and provokes thought and debate, there&#039;s no question about that, but his arguments very much align with a liberal academic template and are rather predictable. That&#039;s my opinion. 

Moreover, your taking Chris to task for &quot;sarcasm&quot; (in the next post) would have a little more credibility if you ever did the same thing on Kevin&#039;s blog in calling him and some of his followers for the same offense. Someone recently chastised me on my blog for an alleged offense while that same person has NEVER made any similar objections on Kevin&#039;s blog for the same thing, though he comments there often. KL seems to get a pass on these things for some reason and then his followers show up on other sites to call down those bloggers. Sorry, no sale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toby:</p>
<p>&#8220;Kevin Levin has one of the most articulate history blogs on the web&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s subjective Toby and your opinion. Kevin often raises interesting points and provokes thought and debate, there&#8217;s no question about that, but his arguments very much align with a liberal academic template and are rather predictable. That&#8217;s my opinion. </p>
<p>Moreover, your taking Chris to task for &#8220;sarcasm&#8221; (in the next post) would have a little more credibility if you ever did the same thing on Kevin&#8217;s blog in calling him and some of his followers for the same offense. Someone recently chastised me on my blog for an alleged offense while that same person has NEVER made any similar objections on Kevin&#8217;s blog for the same thing, though he comments there often. KL seems to get a pass on these things for some reason and then his followers show up on other sites to call down those bloggers. Sorry, no sale.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both sides are missing the other which is not uncommon. His articulateness has nothing to do with this. Levin is of course, articulate, intelligent, accomplished, ect.  I did not misread him in my opinion. I never said Levin does not teach well. I am talking about the belief that some have concerning their approach to U.S. history. I did call Levin out a bit and perhaps that was overreaching. But I stand by my comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both sides are missing the other which is not uncommon. His articulateness has nothing to do with this. Levin is of course, articulate, intelligent, accomplished, ect.  I did not misread him in my opinion. I never said Levin does not teach well. I am talking about the belief that some have concerning their approach to U.S. history. I did call Levin out a bit and perhaps that was overreaching. But I stand by my comments.</p>
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		<title>By: toby</title>
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		<dc:creator>toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevein Levin has one of the most articulate history blogs on the web, and you completely misrepresent him. I think Kevin would completely agree with this teaching method:

&quot;I did not say a word, I let them discuss and in the end, some valued Zinn and some did not. I was the “guide on the side” and that was best. Sure I had an opinion, but I stayed out. I doubt most teachers do.&quot;

You should invite your readers to read Kevin&#039;s original post, follow what you preach here, and let them make up their own mind:

http://cwmemory.com/2009/09/18/teaching-history-without-the-negative-stuff/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevein Levin has one of the most articulate history blogs on the web, and you completely misrepresent him. I think Kevin would completely agree with this teaching method:</p>
<p>&#8220;I did not say a word, I let them discuss and in the end, some valued Zinn and some did not. I was the “guide on the side” and that was best. Sure I had an opinion, but I stayed out. I doubt most teachers do.&#8221;</p>
<p>You should invite your readers to read Kevin&#8217;s original post, follow what you preach here, and let them make up their own mind:</p>
<p><a href="http://cwmemory.com/2009/09/18/teaching-history-without-the-negative-stuff/" rel="nofollow">http://cwmemory.com/2009/09/18/teaching-history-without-the-negative-stuff/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, Kevin claims to have left a post, I never received it. I have ALWAYS posted responses. He lies or it did not make it. Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Kevin claims to have left a post, I never received it. I have ALWAYS posted responses. He lies or it did not make it. Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone than you for your comments, you know who is at it at his blog! I used to try and understand Kevin, but with what is at stake today, I simply can&#039;t. But you know, he is an intellectual who just is so darn smarter than I!

C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone than you for your comments, you know who is at it at his blog! I used to try and understand Kevin, but with what is at stake today, I simply can&#8217;t. But you know, he is an intellectual who just is so darn smarter than I!</p>
<p>C</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Cebula</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Cebula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You attribute to Kevin Levin a lot of opinions that he has not, to my knowledge, ever expressed. Could you cite specifically, for example, what statements of Levin support your charge that &quot;To teach the American Revolution intellectually and to challenge students students to “think critically” Kevin probably thinks that the emphasis would be on Women, Blacks, and Indians.&quot;

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You attribute to Kevin Levin a lot of opinions that he has not, to my knowledge, ever expressed. Could you cite specifically, for example, what statements of Levin support your charge that &#8220;To teach the American Revolution intellectually and to challenge students students to “think critically” Kevin probably thinks that the emphasis would be on Women, Blacks, and Indians.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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