Comments on: Politically Correct Non-Myth Busting?: The Iroquois and the American Constitution http://www.blog4history.com/2009/11/politically-correct-myth-busting-the-iroquois-and-the-american-constitution/ The American Experience in the Classroom Sat, 27 Feb 2010 05:43:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Omar E. Vega http://www.blog4history.com/2009/11/politically-correct-myth-busting-the-iroquois-and-the-american-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-13997 Omar E. Vega Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:58:49 +0000 http://www.blog4history.com/?p=808#comment-13997 Iroquois influence in the constitution is not a myth. Only white resistence stop historians to recognize the truth. Iroquois influence in the constitution is not a myth. Only white resistence stop historians to recognize the truth.

]]> By: Richard Williams http://www.blog4history.com/2009/11/politically-correct-myth-busting-the-iroquois-and-the-american-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-13564 Richard Williams Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:47:29 +0000 http://www.blog4history.com/?p=808#comment-13564 Thanks Chris, I understand. Enjoy your blog. Thanks Chris, I understand. Enjoy your blog.

]]> By: Chris http://www.blog4history.com/2009/11/politically-correct-myth-busting-the-iroquois-and-the-american-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-13561 Chris Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:54:10 +0000 http://www.blog4history.com/?p=808#comment-13561 I agree that it is not "definitive," I think if you look at the tone of my post I was being a bit harsh on those historical figures intentionally. Chris I agree that it is not “definitive,” I think if you look at the tone of my post I was being a bit harsh on those historical figures intentionally.

Chris

]]> By: Richard G. Williams, Jr. http://www.blog4history.com/2009/11/politically-correct-myth-busting-the-iroquois-and-the-american-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-13560 Richard G. Williams, Jr. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:37:17 +0000 http://www.blog4history.com/?p=808#comment-13560 "Jefferson and Sally indeed had a sexual relationship that probably included rape." Chris - there is still wide disagreement over that assertion: "Although the relationship between Jefferson and Sally Hemings has been for many years, and will surely continue to be, a subject of intense interest to historians and the public, the evidence is not definitive, and the complete story may never be known." http://www.monticello.org/plantation/hemingscontro/hemings-jefferson_contro.html “Jefferson and Sally indeed had a sexual relationship that probably included rape.”

Chris – there is still wide disagreement over that assertion:

“Although the relationship between Jefferson and Sally Hemings has been for many years, and will surely continue to be, a subject of intense interest to historians and the public, the evidence is not definitive, and the complete story may never be known.”

http://www.monticello.org/plantation/hemingscontro/hemings-jefferson_contro.html

]]> By: Chris http://www.blog4history.com/2009/11/politically-correct-myth-busting-the-iroquois-and-the-american-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-13551 Chris Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:34:02 +0000 http://www.blog4history.com/?p=808#comment-13551 Peter, sorry, there are enough academics who support it to make it worthy of this post. If that were the criteria for posting anything, than why bother at all!!! Chris Peter, sorry, there are enough academics who support it to make it worthy of this post. If that were the criteria for posting anything, than why bother at all!!!
Chris

]]> By: Peter http://www.blog4history.com/2009/11/politically-correct-myth-busting-the-iroquois-and-the-american-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-13550 Peter Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:03:00 +0000 http://www.blog4history.com/?p=808#comment-13550 I'd recommend taking a look at Timothy Shannon's "Iroquois Diplomacy on the Early American Frontier." It is written in a clear and concise fashion for general audiences and at several places points out that the Iroquois influence on the Constitution myth is just that. He also takes the United States government and the NYT to task for their perpetuation of this myth. To gauge what the scholarly consensus is, I think you might need to provide a bit more evidence than a link to a lesson plan (from an educational school, not a history program) that is nearly a decade old and a link to a history blog that also professes "Now, I am not saying that I agree with this Native American/Constitution theory. While it is quite an interesting proposal I personally believe that the evidence to support it is circumstantial at best." In fact, if you take the time to read the comments on that blog, as well as research by historians working on the era (helpfully summarized in the footnotes in Shannon's volume), you will find that few academics actually support this myth (and the traction it has come from areas outside of the academy). I’d recommend taking a look at Timothy Shannon’s “Iroquois Diplomacy on the Early American Frontier.” It is written in a clear and concise fashion for general audiences and at several places points out that the Iroquois influence on the Constitution myth is just that. He also takes the United States government and the NYT to task for their perpetuation of this myth. To gauge what the scholarly consensus is, I think you might need to provide a bit more evidence than a link to a lesson plan (from an educational school, not a history program) that is nearly a decade old and a link to a history blog that also professes “Now, I am not saying that I agree with this Native American/Constitution theory. While it is quite an interesting proposal I personally believe that the evidence to support it is circumstantial at best.” In fact, if you take the time to read the comments on that blog, as well as research by historians working on the era (helpfully summarized in the footnotes in Shannon’s volume), you will find that few academics actually support this myth (and the traction it has come from areas outside of the academy).

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